Hey, Gov, guess what? Confiscation ain’t gonna happen. NOt today, not tomorrow, not ever.

Confiscation… my Lord what is this country coming to.

NRA secretly loves this, boosts gun sales. I say let everyone keep their guns, just stop manufacturing bullets.

Listen up, folks. This is the signal for you to go in to action. It is now or never. Do not wait for orders from headquarters.

That is the first time I’ve heard anyone say that… and it doesn’t sound bad. When we combat inflation, we don’t print as much money.

So why not limit the amount of bullets produced?

Yeah, he is trying to use it as negotiation.

We need to support this in certain states so the normal people will move to other states and they will go broke. Hey, hasn’t California been like this for a while…. HA HA!

And thus the reason the second amendment exists…

LOL. Wouldn’t it just be awful if you lost your penis substitute gun.

If by normal people you mean rednecks, its already happened which is why red states are all net leeches on the federal budget.

Roger, oh Roger. Why do you liberals always have to go there? I’m sure you really don’t believe it has anything to do with ‘replacement therapy’ as you suggest, do you? As I’m sure you are not a gun owner, certainly not an enthusiast, this is something you’d never truly understand anyway.

This guy is a communist! Fight them hard for a better safer America.

Yea, indeed, the paranoid are easily rattled. But no, our Constitition was not providing in the 2nd Amendment for armed rebellion against our own government that was elected pursuant to that Constitution. That would be a contradiction of terms. And since we can Constitutionally ban hand held rockets, bazookas, and machine guns without upsetting the second amendment (yea, the single shot musket in every house amendment) we can certainly ban semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines without offending it.

We can make our own it is cheaper!

And this is just a bunch of liberal BS. While it is true that five of the top ten states receiving the most federal funding in 2011 were red states, what you liberals try to keep secret is most of the money being spent in these states pays for military and other federal facilities located within these states.

not without the casings you can’t

we already force women to shove vaginal probes up their cha-cha’s against their will, so this is peanuts in comparison.

Uh oh, black helicopters.

Jefferson was pretty clear on the intent.

“And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. ”

What say you to that?

Gun confiscation and buy back could be an option? According to whom? Gov. Cuomo and what Constitution? You can’t pay me enough for my gun and as far as confiscation goes… try taking Esther from me one day…

What are “red necks”? Oh, that’s right, the people who actually make this country function. It is every CITY that is operating at a loss due to certain “Black necks.”

You would be a redneck if:

You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the House of Tattoos.

You need an estimate from your barber before you get a haircut.

The biggest fashion risk you take is which plaid you’ll wear to the 4-H Fair.

You have flowers planted in a bathroom appliance in your front yard.

Your wife weighs more then your refrigerator.

You move your refrigerator and the grass underneath it has turned yellow.

You mow your lawn and find a car.

You can spit without opening your mouth.

Going to the bathroom in the middle of the night involves putting on shoes and a jacket and grabbing a flashlight.

You go Christmas shopping for your mom, sister, and girlfriend, and you only need to buy one gift.

Taking a dip has nothing to do with water.

There are more than ten lawsuits currently pending against your dog.

You take a fishing pole to Sea World.

The hood and one door are a different color from the rest of your car.

You’ve ever filled your deer tag on the golf course.

You’ve ever shot somebody over a mall parking space.

Santa Claus refuses to let your kids sit in his lap.

Your toilet paper has page numbers on it.

You think mud rasslin’ should be an Olympic sport.

The receptionist checks the rat traps at your place of business.

More than one living relative is named after a Southern Civil War general.

You think the stock market has a fence around it.

I think the word you’re looking for is “vagina,” but yeah, when we legalize rape to prevent abortions, we’re pretty much the Taliban.

Not helpful, Cuomo. Don’t feed the delusions of the paranoid when you know confiscation isn’t going to happen.

Please stop playing their game by actually using their idiotic “color” scheme.

Rockets and bazookas are not arms. If you don’t accept a traditional view of the 2nd amendment, then maybe we should apply that principle to the other amendments as well. Perhaps the 1st amendment, wouldn’t you say? Do you see where I’m going with this line of reasoning?

Because we don’t live in a communist country….yet.

Yes, its a big secret that you can’t find anywhere except in all the census publications and countless other places.

Not to pick a side on this but I think that quote from Jefferson came in the context of his feelings on the french revolution, and Jefferson’s beliefs on the french revolution, by most historical accounts, was not his finest hour.

You had a dream….

Notice that there isn’t any discussion about confiscating or cracking down on illegal weapons owners. Which cause most of the deaths in the Big Apple.

that goes without saying.
they do that constantly.

i didnt think Media Ite would let me type “vagina”.
buncha prudes they are and stuff.

Of course they are arms. Poison tipped blowguns are also “arms” and banned. Basically, any small arm (did I mention hand grenades) that is considered too dangerous is banned.

Your’s is not the traditional view of the 2nd amendment if you think that the reference in the 2nd Amendment to a militia and bearing arms has anything to do with preparing for war against our Constitutionally elected government.

Heres the problem with a state only ban on assault weapons, or most of anything for that matter. Its very hard to enforce if neighbor states permit it.

This is like buying fireworks for example, people who live in the state of NY will just go to PA , people who live in MA will just cross the border to NH. Contrary to what some would believe, states are not their own countries with border patrols.

The only way assault weapons bans or background checks at gun shows work would be if it was implemented across the country. One care argue about the constitutionality of it but given the fact the supreme court has stated reasonable controls on guns are acceptable it prob won’t go far,

But unless every state enacts bans on these things and enforces them, for the most part its the equivalent of trying to empty an ocean out with a teaspoon

“I have as many guns as I need, but I don’t have as many guns as I want.”
-Phil Gramm-

The civil war is a function of that view. Far more than a few lost lives. Those holding your view, lost.

“Come and take it”

You don’t even know what communism means.

Your not being realistic. the police and other law enforcement do not carry bazookas. The military have mortar shells and other what-nots and those things aren’t available for public consumption. Did you read the rest of the amendment where it says:

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.”

Don’t forget your tins foil hats to protect you from Illuminati mind probes.

none of these guys do.

Did you notice that part about “well regulated militia”? We can ban semi-auto weapons and require that they be kept permanently ready for use to defend our country (when called by our Commander in Chief) at a registered gun range. And practice shooting is strongly encouraged, you know, to stay ready. But the semi-autos are too dangerous to take home.

He’d have to go out and buy the other substitute for having a small male member, a full size (now used) Hummer.

You’re right. I don’t understand the paranoia some people feel that they have to be armed to the teeth in order to feel “safe.”

And I’m very glad for that.

A Glock is a semi automatic weapon. That’s about the size of an outstretched hand and then some. You can’t start this debate without a strong knowledge of the weapons that are available for public consumption. Automatic weapons have been banned since the early 30s. You can’t have a discussion about banning military-style weapons (which just look like military weapons but aren’t) without clamping down seriously on illegal weapons trafficking. When that discussion starts, someone should wake me.

If Cuomo will deputize me, I will gladly pry them from the cold, dead hands of the gun-loving savages!

Uh. Regulated means to keep in good working condition which is why some militia members were called REGULATORS.

Good grief.

If you want to see the Real War on Women you will need to visit a Muslim country.

Looks to me that you are another Progressive living in a bubble and need to take a look at what Islam really is.

I guess you are unaware that Islam kills homosexuals and abuses, kills, and oppresses women.

How does that slippery slope go again Roger?

There is a process to change the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Try it.

And the signers of the Constitution and Bill Of Rights were paranoid?

Any adult comments you would like to add to the conversation?

This does not stop Ray from reenacting the civil war in his mind and pretending he has won. Ray dreams of owning slaves – as opposed to the reality of Ray being owned.. constantly.

Typed tough talk from a prattling idiot. Coumo’s permitting option is fine, his other options are simply an admission of communist tendencies.

Sure you will, Numbnuts!

Good Luck.

You forgot the part about your.. cold heart and dead brain.

I’m just here to help. You’re welcome.

Enlighten us.

Proof? Links?

I never knew Coumo was that damn. stupid…
Never paid that much attention to him, I guess

Now you are defending communism?

Just like the BATF helped the folks at WACO? No thanks.

It’s a word they are afraid of, that’s enough for them.

Oh Booker, I’ve shot them all. AR-15 (a three inch group at 300 yards), glock, shotguns, revolvers. When I was younger, I thought it was fun. If I got into it again I am sure I would still think it is fun. But the reality is that they are too dangerous to be so readily available to the general population. Too many innocents being killed. And its not the criminals, drug dealers and the like committing our mass murders, but regular people who flip out and, unfortunately, can readily obtain semi-auto weapons with extended clips and accessories without so much as a waiting period.

Ray doesn’t see ‘color’.

So every gun owner is a redneck, every Republican is an old,fat,white man, every one that does not support amnesty and open borders is anti-immigrant, every one who criticizes Islam is an Islamophobe, and anyone who does not support Obamas Statist agenda is a racist, right?

Did I miss any insult?

Or any Zombie Progressive talking point/

Saul Alinsky would be very proud of you, CryBoehner.

I’ll take your word for it. LOL.

Aren”t you going to tell us who the author is?

After reading your posts, it is clear you are not capable of humor.

I can”t wait to see you overturn the Second Amendment.

I am sure you also want to destroy the First Amendment- but only for rednecks and anyone who does not share your opinion on everything, right,?

He sure see’s black.

Clearly that has happened to your alleged mind.

hahahahahahaha come and try libtards! ahahahahahaha

Waking you would take something personally tragic. See: Republican James Brady’s ‘awakening’ to the importance of gun control. And, that, is the very sad state of mind of most every gun zealot.

You love guns. No discussion. End of story.

You and baby boehner can have a good cry, it heals the soul.

First off, this would never hold up in court. Absolutelt zero chance. I’d argue that this could be such a serious violation of Constitutional rights, it could warrant removing Cuomo from office. Second, Cuomo clearly doesn’t understand the reasoning behind the Second Amendment. It’s actually around not for hunting, but to protect people like Andrew Cuomo. Government tyrants. Lastly, and most importantly, this would end up as a human tragedy. We’d see hundreds of Ruby Ridge type incidents all over Upstate NY. It would be such a dangerous situation for both law enforcement and the public. I am truly hoping he’s just talking out of his ass on this one. You want to talk irresponsible? His comments are irresponsible.

This plan would be both illegal and dangerous. Is Cuomo insane? Does he want a hundred Ruby Ridge type incidents all over Upstate? Also, for the millionth time, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

Valkyrie, you have hit the mark – so to speak. As a kid, i shot guns, got my rifle and shotgun merit badge, went hunting, and even joined the NRA as a teen. It was simple fun. Then I grew up.. began to understand the dangers of guns, the dangerous attitude of the NRA – and it ceased to have the appeal it once did.

Straw with a side of herring…

Their are no provisions in the Constitution for ‘armed rebellion’. That is not the issue, nor will be the issue. No one is rebelling against any government.

Mr Coumo has made a ill-advised statement that ‘confiscation could be an option’. It is illegal for any government to confiscate private, lawfully acquired property.

Mr Cuomo is an extreme position. Resistance and push-back to that illegal and unlawful position is not. No rebellion required.

which part?

Johns Adams bio by David McCullough was an excellent source of information on Jefferson and one I highly recommend. Because Adams and Jefferson were so intertwined and instrumental in the coming of the american revolution and what followed after, their involvement with events and political and philosophical points of view makes for fascinating reading

And liberals wonder why people rush out and buy guns when a tragedy like this happens.

Funny how quiet liberals are on that subject, isn’t it?

Get back to us when a murderer breaks into your house and you have no way to protect yourself, you wife (assuming you’ve found a woman that will take you), and your children.

Or talk to us when your rich liberal friends give up their armed guards.

That’s the conversation liberals don’t want to have. You can pass all the laws you want, but criminals will ALWAYS get guns. The UK and Australia passed strict gun laws and crime skyrocketed. But, liberals don’t let facts get in their way.

This is not gonna end well. *smh*

Hah! This made me laugh…

He sees it everywhere. I bet he likes black women on the low though. Ol’ Ray…

lol…what?

this is why willie always states:
NEPOTISM breeds infertility….

now blame the chinese?

Do you honestly believe that some some childish insult will have any
persuasive effect on him. Like it or not, you need his cooperation if
you hope to have any positive effect on gun laws whatsoever. He doesn’t need yours at all.The rights are on his side and so are the guns. Even if you call it a penis substitute, the fact is he owns it, and insults won’t change that fact. You’d do better to try and find common ground.

I am glad you agree with my view that the “militia” referenced in the 2nd Amendment was not an invitation to accumulate weapons in order to fight it out against our own government. Louis Gohmert would not agree, however. And a vast number of others who are accumulating weapons.

If the AR-15 assault rifle is banned then those weapons will have to be turned in. Perhaps there will be a government buyback like they did in Australia after they banned them there. Nobody is suggesting that we ban all guns, only that we more tightly regulate them, and ban the most dangerous ones that seem to show up in so many shootings.

Indeed, that’s PRECISELY what they were: paranoid about the continuing threat to the Republic posed by the British King and Parliament, and his royal highknee’s loyal subjects in the colonies to the north of New York State, Vermont and Maine.

In no small part because the rebellious former American Colonies now of the still relatively new U.S. of A. had a standing army you could it into half a barracks: there were only 80 troops in the Continental Army at the time the new Constitution was being debated. So, you bet they were paranoid: because they felt that, in all the circumstances that then prevailed, without assurance of the separate colony’s local militia that they could not legally be disarmed by ANY authority, internal as well as external, the Republic was in serious danger of failing ….

And thus we would miss the marvels of the 9 of the first 12 presidents being southerners, six from Virginia alone, and 10 of them being owners of slave and plantation owners. The United Slaves of America’s plantation colonies could not feel safe from tyranny without everyone being armed to the teeth the latest musketry and balls.

This is what happens when you dilly dally around with a problem for 30 years, and people decide as a group that they are really fed up.

One word: Drone.

One word: Drones.

Exactly. Mindless drones who think like commies. Confiscation attempts would trigger Waco x 100 and could lead to an actual war.

This will probably not happen in my lifetime, but I’d like to see the 2nd Amendment repealed. I’d like to see all guns not related to hunting confiscated (with reimbursement),
and anyone who doesn’t comply jailed.
And if any of these fantasy-dwelling macho-men with big guns and small penises resist,
and if they fire on an officer of the law, I’d like to see them exterminated on the spot,
like the vermin they are. And good riddance.

And this creep Cuomo wants to be President. He is a little man looking for a balcony.

You aren’t worth the 15 seconds it would take to google, cut and paste.

It’s funnier to watch you troll, and act like an ignoramus.

Please stop assuming if we are going to have a discussion…

You sir, are a member of the ‘militia’ Check the USC as well as your State Constitution and laws.

The Second Amendment is a safeguard against any government that engages in tyranny. It is thought that our own would not be a consideration but considering the extreme position of Mr Cuomo, sadly it can give one pause why he sees confiscation as an option.

Their is no accumulation. Some, who are active shooters and engage in self-defense, sport shooting, hunting, competitive shooting can legally purchase a firearm that suits a specific need dependent on use.

If your concern is to ban weapons that ‘show up in so many shootings’ Then the .38 caliber revolver is what you speak, not the AR-15.

One word – Murderer…

willie disagrees and is disappointed in you…………..

You’re a bit of a brain-dead, aren’t you? Does anyone actually ask your opinion on anything after they’ve met you? I doubt it.

what? pediatricians prescribing speed, anti-depressents, anti-pyschotics, tranquilizers, etc, etc ?

Tough guy with small brain. Combination that will end up dead soon, I imagine.

“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it,” he said.

You don’t need a permit already to own a gun in NY?

women and children……………double tapped

uncle barry and the joint chiefs

Don’t go using facts on him. You’ll upset him and make him grab for his… his.. umm… maybe a wet noodle or something.

or ruby………..

willie recommends a great book: ” RED republicans and lincoln marxist”…….it will blow ur mind

dont know the #, but here in Pa and other state Consitutions, you dont have to register any weapons………but if you dont barter, background checks will apply( dont know where thats based or stored )

I value 2nd Amendment rights a lot less than I value the lives of my neighbors, and their kids. Sorry you don’t feel the same way.

Do you really force women to do that? I don’t know what else you are talking about.

“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares…will plow for those who do not”

guilt only works on the weak……..

playground…..comment

This is a great way to start another civil war.

That’s because it all lost its innocence. And as usual, at the middle of it, is the almighty dollar with a hundreds of millions a year gun business. Gun marketers sit around coming up with fear scenarios to promote to the public as a reason to buy their thousand dollar guns. And the NRA is fully in that pocket. Its not dissimilar to those arms manufacturers who single handedly, almost, fund politicians that support a more hawkish philosophy since an “aggressive foreign policy” is a big money maker for the arms makers.

Vagina. Cool!

Wish the CT shooter had a 38 special with six shots instead of a semi-auto high powered military grade weapon with (reportedly) several 30 shot clips. Nothing we can do will ever stop a psycho from walking into a public place with a gun intent on shooting up the place. But the idea is that he is carrying a single shot rifle, or a revolver instead of the more overwhelming firepower of a high powered gun (the bullet travels at 3 times the speed of sound) that was designed for military use with a 50 shot magazine.

What fact? That the 2nd Amendment is a safeguard against the tyrrany of our own Constitutionally elected government? That is not a fact. Not even close.

So your theory is based on the Founding Fathers being paranoid.

Put down the glue bottle, turn off your computer, and have mom get you a hot cup of tea.

chirp chirp.

Thank for info. Very cool post!

Is that what you do when mom sends you to the broom closet?

This was from a letter written to Williams Stephens Smith, who at the time was secretary of the Legation at London, in regards to writings in British papers at the time.

“…the British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to
repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. yet where does this anarchy exist? where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? and can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. they were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. the people cannot be all, & always, well informed. the past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to
the public liberty. we have had 13. states independent 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are
not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.”

A related idea was later expressed by Bertrand Barère de Vieuzac in a
speech to the French national assembly, January 16, 1793: “L’arbre de la liberté… croît lorsqu’il est arrosé du sang de toute espèce de tyrans
(The tree of liberty grows only when watered by the blood of tyrants),” Archives Parliamentaires de 1787 à 1860, vol. 57, p. 368 (1900).

Did you notice the comma and “the people” part?

It does not say “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

It says “the people”.

Your only true option would be a world-wide ban. If the “drug war” has taught us anything, it is that our borders are and always will be porous to contraband as long as the market exists.

Cool post!

Thank! Author the best!

Wouldn’t it be nice if just once in your life you sexually satisfied a woman? I know…sucks being a limp-wristed, effeminate, fairy liberal.

We need to protect ourselves from the ‘diversity’ you love so much. Of course, being the disingenious white liberal that you are, you live as far away from brown people as possible.

To hunt with an assault rifle is not hunting…it is murder…

Why are you enthusiatic about killing….

They were trying to protect themselves from the British…with a militia…

You need an assault rifle to take down one man…

Too bad your new identity sucks even more than your last one, Hopey.

The diversity you talk about don’t have the guns….the white Conservatives do….hence all the mass killings done by whites….

There is no common ground with those who have murder in their hearts…

Or stay right here in America in a red state…

Frizzy is a proud Liberal!

Your imagination reveals you to be an idiot obviously

The goal of those stockpiling guns is not protection…it is insurrection…

Wait till Nugent hears about this…lol

Folks like you are the crybabies weeping, peeing their pants and using children as shields when an attack comes. We will not save you. We will save the kids.

You would know Mr Penisless.

Study yourself if you want to understand real paranoia. It’s not paranoia on the sane gun owners part, your dictatorial drivel is proof there are real threats to constitutional freedoms out there. If you don’t like guns don’t own one but stop being a liberal tyrant to those that do. If the criminals have them then so should I. Tell you what, I’ll stay out of your pot stash if you stay out of my gun rack Libby.

Thank you! Its amazing how ignorant people are about guns and the US Constitution. Our education system has failed us.

The writers at Pravda had the same comfort level as you, with your ideology you’ll never end up in the gulag, so why should you give a rip about any rights.. We get it…

SOMEONE RUN THE CLIP OF THE L.A. RIOTS WHERE THE KOREAN STORE OWNERS WERE PROTECTING PROPERTY AND LIFE WITH GLOCKS ETC!!! WE NEED ASSAULT RIFLES TO REMIND CUOMO ETC THEY ARE NOT OUT MASTERS AMERICANS KICKED BRITAINS ASS NOT THE AMERICAN GOVT!!!…FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!! YOU DIRTY STINKIN APE!!!!!…SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE LOVE U CHUCK HESTON!!!!

If the people assaulting me outnumber me… yes. If the people assaulting me have assault rifles… yes… it’s not for you to decide if I am an actual citizen in a free society… but control you must…

People need assault rifles to protect themselves from the results of your ideology once fully implemented… I wish harm to no one, but why should I suffer violence and not defend myself just to placate your emotions about guns? Explain to me why you get to define what options I have to defend myself from unwarranted lawless violence?

cuomo is completely out of his mind, but what else is new?

hey if you don’t like guns, don’t buy one. And when someone breaks in your house at 3am, high on crack and looking to steal something he can sell for more crack, just hide in the bathroom with your cellphone, if that’s your choice. I choose to shoot the bastard several times.

you really just want to disarm your political opponents don’t you? Just be honest.

“diversity you talk about don’t have the guns”… uhhhh you don’t get out much or watch the news. Minorities have guns just like “evil white conservatives”….

My “minority” friends live their lives just like I live my evil white life, they want the same things for their kids that I want for mine. You need us to hate each other but we don’t, this will all work itself out in the next few generations, and you’ll have to divide us some other way to obtain your objectives.

And I don’t understand the need of liberals to control and dictate others’ choices.

Aren’t you all ‘pro-choice’? Me too. I choose to have guns. You can choose to live life on your knees, if you like, but you’re not dragging me down with you.

don’t forget your binkie

brilliant comment, no doubt he would like to be in the first group of people assigned to go out and confiscate the guns…

Hell yeah, and marry whoever you want too, it’s none of my damn business… Leave your fellow man alone and do no harm. Address your self-loathing via counseling and stop trying to jam everybody up over every single issue..

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C.S. Lewis

why would you deny a fellow human the right and ability to defend themselves from violence?

Your position is tantamount to accessory prior to the fact

Armed to the teeth? Moron…you have more weapons in your kitchen drawer and garage than one legal gun owner has….now…sharpen your ball peen hammer idiot….and get you baseball bat ready. Make sure you hide behind the kids too.

You should print that on some pamphlets and litter-bomb us with it… Goebbels

What kind of ivory tower hypocrite would deny his fellow person the right to protect themselves from violence.

Your political opportunity is running out of steam… once these proggies like Cuomo start putting this stuff up for votes, the unwashed masses (my dirty nasty inbred bretheren of all colors and creeds) will rise up and smack this s*** down…

Then take your pride and go sell your ideas in Tahir Square. They get the part about goats, but pretty much everything else you’ll babble about will get you in some serious trouble with those people.

The 2nd Amendment phrase in question is “….the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed….” by any government.

What phrase does Governor Cuomo not understand, the “Right” or “Infringed” phrase?

Is Governor Cuomo far too a sophisticated New Yorker to understand simple English?

Hunting is not relevant to the 2nd Amendment and never was.

Is the vaginal probe the invasive part of the process? I thought maybe the skull hook and the vacuum cleaner would rate higher, but I’m not a woman so…..

Andrew Cuomo is a tyrant. He swore an oath of office to uphold the Constitution. Article 1 Section 9 expressly forbids the passage of ex post facto laws. His intimation that laws could be passed criminalizing ownership of legally purchased firearms and confiscating them is the very definition of ‘ex post facto’. Andrew Cuomo should be impeached.

The attempted confiscation of privately-held arms is the very act that kicked off the Revolution of 1776. The column of troops sent to commit that action got their butts shot off by private citizens.

The 2nd Amendment isn’t about hunting, you idiot. Nor sport or even personal defense. It is about casting down a tyrannical government. That is why the FOunders included it with all the other individual rights in the Bill of Rights, attached to the Constitition, which entire document was written as a LIMIT on government, instead of the springboard for unlimited abuses that it has been twisted into. The 2nd Amendment is about ensuring the private citizens of this nation can maintain comparable small arms to those utilized by government forces, so we maintain a fighing chance against our would-be oppressors.

‘NATO’ is in the majority funded manned and armed by the United States. No such thing will or can happen. ‘NATO’ couldn’t even bomb Libya for more thana couple days, before we had to supply the armaments.

If my penis could reach out and kill socialists at 400 yards I wouldn’t need a rifle.

and how exactly will any of his ideas keep people safer from bad people doing bad things?

I would file this under “Things That Will Not Work Out As Well As They Intended”

I live in Baltimore and don’t plan on moving ,gun confiscation is not far from our horizon here.
I own several “assault rifles” not for hunting but for defense, to stop the roving bands of thugs from entering my home.
The Police will not help and the criminals roam free here.The average Police response time is 25 minutes, a lot can happen in 25 minutes.
This incident is a wet dream come true for the gun grabbers and Liberals alike.
I was once a liberal until i was robbed and pistol whipped inside my home by four
armed scum bags.Then i bought a gun……….

She needs an assault rifle just to get a man to look at her.

The seeds of the Second American Revolution are being sown!

“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it,”

The gun control crowd is constantly amazed at the hostility to their “ideas” among gun owners? Every time they say this stuff they reinforce the logic for needing guns.

Dumber than a box of rocks.

My point with the .38 caliber comment is that that caliber is used more often in crime activities than the rifle caliber… by far but yet the logic is to ban a firearm that accounts for less that 1% of the illegal uses.

This is why the logic of the gun grabbers is flawed. Focus on the ‘thing’ instead of the person.

Newton, as well as the other tragic shootings were preventable to some extent. The investigation in ALL the shootings show that the person was identified as flawed, had known issues, acted on those issues to raise flags… but those responsible did little to nothing to intervene.

Keep trying to ban things and you will do little to nothing to mitigate the issue.

Let’s see if he starts in GroidNation hoods! These stupid liberals continue to mount Obie for ideas and all the come away with is dumbshit!

Been hunting much asswipe? You sound as stupid as that GroidKing you elected.

asswipe why don’t you practice your religion? liberalism believes in child murder, deviate sex and self abuse, go somewhere and do yourself in.

asswipe being proud of taking it up the ass isn’t normal, go find a place to do yourself in.

IMO, if confiscation were ever tried, you would see an all out civil war!

I take it you have never heard or read of the term “Letter De Marque”.

During the 1700′s, both the Sea and Forest were lawless places.
Everyone on the high-seas routinely went heavily armed and that included cannon up to 24 ponders and larger.
At the time, anyone could buy any weapon his bank account could sustain.
Not to do so was a open invitation to being pillaged by pirates, privateers foreign governments or even your own government.

The ability to fend off attacks by any government or brigand through the use of heavy military firepower was considered normal, routine and a “Right” given by God and thus enshrined in the 2nd Amendment.

That military ability prevented such governmental abuses as taking 75% of your wealth gained from lawful activities.
In the 1700′s no one would have tolerated what the French government did recently.
The cannons would roar and they would be in private hands.

That sound you hear ……
Is the NRA coffers filling like never before…
the ammo factories going into high gear and high capacity magazines being rushed into shipping boxes. out into the internet…….

KEEP TALKING………….THAT JIVE

Barry – Please don’t complicate the issue with fact.
If progressive, thumb-sucking, bed wetting liberal ectomorphs want to come try to “confiscate” my legally purchased and registered firearms, they are certainly free to try.

You don’t know much about the 1700′s or the rest of Western History do you Booker T.
Our forefathers would have never tolerated the current political conditions and certainly not the political pillage that is normal today.
Our forefathers were a tougher and far more a freedom-loving breed

That’s the funniest remark of the day — that you actually think these small-minded, paranoid gun-nuts of the NRA have ANYTHING to do with the signers of the Constitution. Get out of your fantasy world. It’s rotting whatever’s left of your brain.

Let me guess – you have a “meat is murder” sticker, right above a “keep abortion legal” sign.

You must be the most willfully deluded person on the planet if you actually believe a word of what you wrote. Get your head out of your a$$ (aka, Fox News) and look around. I live in New York. There’s been plenty of conversation about this in the media and amongst friends and associates.

Don’t be a willful tool of the NRA and just repeat their idiot talking points. It makes you sound as stupid as they are.

If I see a blue helmeted UN soldier in my town, I will take em out.

I suggest that all of you good freedom loving gun owners in NY move on down to sunny FL where we love our rights and have sane gun laws.

So regulating a militia would not include regulation of those who are members of the militia with respect to the guns that they are permitted to have because of our need for a militia?

Under what theory do we regulate the possession of hand grenades, or fully automatic weapons? And how is possessing a military grade high powered “assault” rifle that fires a round at three times the speed of sound, with a fifty shot magazine, different from those?

So you object to the ban on machine guns and shoulder fire rockets? Why?

Is this Andrew’s Joycyln Elders moment? You remember when she exposed the left’s evil agenda when she slipped and said to a very large audience and on public TV, that she (they–the left) want our children earlier to teach them to masturbate etc. Bill Clinton (as we know–is incomplete agreement with her goals) had to silently fire her as Surgeon General right after that.
I sort of miss the honesty, describing their true intentions, coming from the left. Andrew is doing a rare thing by being open and honest about seizing the good-guys’ gun. They’ve been after them for at least six decades that I recall (see CBS White Paper (anti-gun) propaganda documentary in the sixties)

You expose yourself as terribly inept to comment on the subject.
If you’re a leftist, just talk about how nice abortion is or something the left does–unless you’re a “equal species” believer, (biodiversity lie) in which case I’ll run and get a squirrel to dialogue with you.

Unfortunately, the constitution has long been a worthless piece of paper because the left who loathes man having rights from Nature’s God” has destroyed it’s power with legal games for political power. (They found the evil of abortion in some magical and mysterious emanations from penumbra’s hiding in its dark words. That character, Roberts, called the biggest government imposed attack on all our freedom (Obamcare) to be a mere “tax.”
P.S. Our rights do come from Natuere’s God alone, but we don’t need a legal paper for that precious relationship, they so hate, to exist.

Gun Nuts?
Yeah, they were once called patriots who had to face a large organized government with them for the freedom you anti-gun folks enjoy. But you all conveniently skip over those well know facts that expose your hypocrisy.

Our forefathers had enough sense to know that all governments would remain far more trustworthy when the citizenry is well armed. Apparently you (as has every dictator in History) prefer just the almighty government to be trusted with guns…so they can ship them to their political friends in the Mexican drug gangs to use against good people?

You’re right–give the bad guys an equal chance? Typical mush-headed liberalthink.

Yeah but old C.S didn’t hear all their propaganda of “it’s for the children” yet. Had he had such benefit, he’d trust fallen man without fear…yup!

He doesn’t need abinkie–he has the government to protect him from everything evil…except that government itself…gulp!

Are you totally blind or just idiologically short-sighted? Check the massive gun-death stats (Chicago’s on track for 500 this year) from any city (that seldom reach the leftist media’s mouths) and you find the exact opposite–which you know, unless you’re a “inner cities are peace havens” believer.

Strawman dude, this is the reason why these conversations go off the rails and never seem to come to any resolution.

The issue currently is a semi-automatic rifle. That is the issue. It accounts for less that one percent of the firearm related crimes but yet we fond the need to make this a focus.

Fully automatic firearms are not at issue. Nor is their a ban on civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms. I refer to the National Firearm Act of 1934 and Gun Control Act of 1968. Those type of firearms require an advanced licensing for possession.

Why would we waste time and energy on a discussion of civilian ownership of shoulder fired rockets, grenade launchers, mortars and other devices? This makes no sense to me. Do you have line of reasoning that this is a point of discussion for you?

On principle, the right to bear arms is absolute and shall not be infringed.

What must be acknowledged by those that wish to regulate firearms is that we have a multitude of laws and regulations that already regulate ownership, possession, lawful and unlawful use of forearms, access to, eligible persons, etc…

One elected moron was quoted as saying that it is easier to obtain a firearm that to get a cup of coffee. A moronic statement beyond all truth and logic.

The last time I went to get a cup of java, all that was required was some form of currency in exchange for the coffee.

The last time I went to purchase a firearm, in addition to the currency I required identification, filled out a form with my name, address, social security number, ID number, the make, model, caliber and serial number of the firearm was recorded and tied to my name. I certified 13 questions to determine suitability for purchase and wanted patiently while that information was used to run a background check on my person with the state and the FBI.

It is reprehensible and should be considered an extreme position by you that a Governor of a state see ‘confiscation as an option’. It should never be an option as it is unnecessary to a free state and people.

As always valkyrie101, nice straw man, a little bit of herring and the leading questions are pretty good. Hopefully the rational, true, and fact-based discussion continues… somewhere.

Awesome!

One of the best rifles to hunt coyotes is an AR15 rock river with a 20″ barrel .

Cuomo, gestapo?

So tell us Dear Leader Cuomo, what is “an assault weapon”? The military has a definition of an assault RIFLE – one that can fire semi-automatically or AUTOMATICALLY. The GCA of 1934 outlawed sales of AUTOMATIC weapons to the general public. Here in the People’s Republik of Kalifornia, state legislators banned the .50 cal BOLT ACTION rifle. THEY saw no need for the public to own a 37 pound, almost 6 foot long ASSAULT WEAPON.

So one again Dear Leader Cuomo, what is “an assault weapon”.

You’ll notice that Feinstein, Bloomberg and Cuomo make NO MENTION about changing the reporting requirements for mental health professionals. Cho, Loughner and Holmes all purchased weapons LEGALLY. Why?

It should be the ONLY option, honestly.

Either that, or create a gun registry to register every gun in America while also strictly regulating the sale of them (banning automatic/assault weapons).

It worked for Canada until the Conservatives came in and demolished the plan, like Conservatives do.

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The only thing the second amendment has to do with is crazy, racist wing nuts.

We need to let it die, already..

Also, hunting is neither a sport or skillful and we need to put THAT to pasture, as well. There’s absolutely no reason for hunting to be legal at all.

Well, duh. Hunting *is* murder, period.

Please stop holding the “founders” up as great individuals or the Constitution up as a great document.

The founders were nothing but rich, slave-owning white men whose ideas were wrong 99% of the time.

The left doesn’t “do abortion” – they just want to protect a woman’s right to do what they wish to their own bodies and not be told what to do by some old guy in Washington.

It’s not like liberals are automatically lining up for their free abortion kits….

You must be a member of the International Association of Certifiable Morons…

No, he is not insane. He is a Roman Catholic who takes away people’s ability to defend themselves (guns) just like Joe Stalin, Fidel Castro, Vladimir Lenin, Adolf Hitler, Mussolini and Mao Tse Tung. He is EXACT replica of them.

Liberals never miss a chance to try and redefine the right to keep arms as having to do with hunting, do they. Of course, he will try to get confiscation but that probably won’t pass, even in NY…register the guns first, then confiscate after you know who to come after. That’s what they did in NYC…had people register their guns, promise never to confiscate them…and then renege on the agreement. Never trust the government when it comes to trying to take away the power held in the hands of citizens.

Stop reading Karl Marx and Mao’s little red book! The Constitution is a document created by geniuses. They are in short supply now with people like Obama, Bloomberg and the other liberal do as I say not as I do puppets! If you went to college you need to ask for a refund because you have been totally brainwashed by leftists! Liberals always love to tell others how to live! Thanks but no Thanks! If anyone tries to openly confiscate weapons many in the military and law enforcement will not comply! There will be plenty of Ruby Ridges and Wacos all over the country! Especially in the South and the other rural areas of the US! People love to hunt in Michigan, NJ, Wisconsin and in many other Northern states also! We wiil not give up our arms without a fight! All of what we once called “commie pinkos” best go hid under your beds and cry for your Mommy!

OUT OF MY DEAD COLD HANDS

The Constitution that you denigrate so facilely is one of the greatest political charters of all times, encapsulating all that is best about the grand tradition of rule of law and individual freedom that sets apart the English-speaking peoples from all others. And the Founding Fathers–not all of whom were slave owners–were men of great intellect and learning. Many of those among them who were slave owners had deep reservations about that institution, as shown by the abolition of slave importation, worked into the body of the document. That fact elevates them above the common run of humanity. You, Sir, are not worthy to lick their brass-buckled shoes.

The Founding Fathers’ ideas–and ideals–were more than just right; they were inspirational, as demonstrated by the history of this country, which has served as a beacon of freedom under the law for over two centuries now. You do realize, don’t you, that the U. S. Constitution has served as a model of dozens of others (though, alas, poorly executed by nations whose roots are not in the grand Anglo-Saxon legal tradition, which extends at least as far back as the common law courts of Henry II). Millions upon millions of immigrants–including this writer–have come to this country, drawn by the light of that Constitution properly put into practice.

Regarding the jejune “white slave owners trope,” what distinguishes Western Civilization generally, and its American variant particularly, has been the willingness to come to grips with the moral and religious contradictions between the institution of slavery and the principles underlying it. In the case of the U. S., the institution was overturned at the cost of more than 600,000 lives lost on the battlefield and the unfathomable human suffering caused by a great and devastating Civil War.

But, of course, whether or not you personally approve or disapprove of the Founding Fathers or the Constitution they wrought is immaterial. The latter remains the fundamental law of the land, and, if we are to continue to have rule of law, the freedoms it recognizes must be respected. (A well-defined process for amending the Constitution is detailed in Article V; nothing prevents your attempting to organize a movement for repeal of the Second Amendment.)

Try to educate yourself on your country’s history, beyond the tropes of politically correct indoctrination, before presuming to impugn it.

Geniuses? No. It might be a good *framework* to improve upon but the founders weren’t flawless geniuses, as you say. The electoral college, the fact that it wasn’t until later that women received the right to vote and non-whites were finally seen as not 3/5ths of a person pretty much show that the writers of the Constitution were less than perfect (and that the Constitution, itself, is a flawed piece of paper).

Hitler, Stalin, Mao and now Cuomo – all gun confiscation advocates. the first 3 killed 50 million of their own people. Cuomo- go after the criminals with ILLEGAL guns.! Too much work for you,boy???

The squirrel would be more intelligent than you….it is not sport when you have vastly superior weapons…the hunted don’t have a chance….as you well know…

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Learn how to shoot!

Why are all the mass killings done by white affluent young males who have had the best of everything?

Are you hunting or murdering…the coyotes don’t stand a chance…

I thought it was a sport….unless you are hungry and there are no supermarkets around…

If you are hunting for the pleasure of killing…. it is murder…if you have nothing to eat..it is allowed…do they eat the fox…?

Hunting is not a sport as a sport implies something that takes skill or talent. Maybe if you get rid of the gun and don’t hide like a coward, I could possibly see it being a sport.

How many bulllets do you need to kill a rabbit….?

My religion says “Thou shall not kill “….there I practiced it….

I agree!

Why do you think hordes of people are coming to assault you…you sound a little mentally unbalanced…you sound like the kind of person who shouldn’t have a gun…Even in a free society there must be rules to protect everyone…

I got a rep…why? I watch the news 24/7…I want to know why young white affluent males have so much anger they want to kill their parents and friends….

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micropterus_salmoides wrote, in response to frizzymstarbaby2:
why would you deny a fellow human the right and ability to defend themselves from violence?

Thank you Alex Chamberlin. Someone who actually knows what the @nd Amendment is about. Cuomo, Piers Moron(that’s what they call him in England) Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Bill O’Reilly, Barak Obama. Ruby Ridge and the Branch Dividian debacles are excellant examples fo whjy we need the 2ndA. Yes, the Ruby Ridge guy sold guns illegally yes David Corush was a nut case. But the gov’t went way overboard. All they had to do was wait till the Ruby Ridge gun dealer came to town and then grabed his ass. Very few guns and no ones wife or any children murdered/killed. And that David guy in Texas. Talk about overkill. Armoured vehicles flame throwers. Wait till he comes out jogging and snatch him up. He doesn’t come out send an undercover CONVERT in and do snatch him. In both of these cases the gov’t went way out of bounds, deaths, destruction, and alot of money for what. The gov’t ended up paying the Ruby Ridge guy god only know how much.
The other Amendment, the 3rd, is exactly why we need semi-automatic weapons. Oh, everyone forgets the, “not to quarter any soldiers without out permission.” It’s a “protect Hearth and Home” Amendement. Brown Bess isn’t around anymore. That way we need semi-automatic weapons. Oh, you don’t think the Founding Fathers meant us to have ‘em. Maybe you Cuomo, Moron, Rachel….etc think the Founding Fathers meant for women to marry women and men to marry men! Oh, that is different you say. Oh, OKAY.
If you can see both sides of the coin then mores the pity. By the way I’m for gay marriage and semi-automatic weapons in the home. Go figure. But I’m just another knuckle draggin’ redneck.

I don’t! Everyone has the right to defend himself within reason…assault rifles are weapons of war…not suitable for schools or neighborhoods…we also have a modern day Militia…ie. the police force to aid us and they don’t even use assault weapons…that’s overkill…

I stand with the people of Tarhir square…they are fighting to be free of their oppressors…to live free of dictatorship…I believe in the freedom of all men to have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness…once the ideal of all Americans…

Coyotes kill off our deer population. They must die!

Regulated is used in the Second amendment to mean maintained, not controlled. The idea that the majority of the population wouldn’t take up arms to defend their freedom and expected this as a service provided to them would have been a foreign concept to most of the framers.

“The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814.

Hey pal the squirrel was outgunned even in the time of the founders, with their one shot at a time muzzle loaders. Your argument is rediculous.

How do you think the founders hunted, doofus.They hid and many without guns and unless you’ve hunted, you would know there is an amount of skilled and talent required. Good god why am I arguing this, it’s like arguing less taxes brings in more revenue with an (R).

I never said it was…the NRA maintains their weapons are for sport or self defense…I maintain you don’t need an assault rifle to kill a rabbit…unless you’re really a bad shot…small arms as was referred to in the 2nd amendment meant a ball and musket shotgun not an arsenal of weapons…I have always thought the reason people were stockpiling weapons was to overthrow the government…of course in the days of the second amendment, they were afraid of the British government….today, what are they afraid of…they’ve been stockpiling weapons long before this present administration so they must have felt this government was tyrannical long ago….I don’t know where they could go to find a system of government more just than this one…it doesn’t make sense to overthrow the most just system in the world….

No, you clearly don’t understand the rights of gun owners, because it’s NOT ABOUT HUNTING!

Yours first Cuomo. Stop traveling with a cadre of armed guards and then you can talk about why citizens don’t need the weapon of their choice.

What do the “founders” have to do with anything? Hunting has never been a sport nor has it ever taken skill – it’s just an excuse for rednecks to get off with their gun porn hobby.

I really could not care less about “hunters” – as far as I’m concerned, they’re the lowest of the low.

As a student of Wildlife Management, you’re wrong.

Hunting is a valuable management practice for wildlife species. It helps control populations of critters that no longer have natural predators. The mortality rate is generally compensatory-animals killed by hunters do not ADD to the mortality rate by natural factors such as malnutrition or exposure. In the case of things like deer, this reduction of the population of a largely over-populated animal also saves lives as it minimizes auto
mobile collisions.

Re-introducing natural predators might work in some areas, but most likely not within urban and suburban settings where much of these animals have adapted to. The predators would not survive in such a fragmented habitat, there would be more conflicts between the predators and people/pets, and public support would drop to nothing quite quickly.

I still don’t understand the mentality that it’s OK for somebody else to kill your meat for you, but somehow barbaric to go out and harvest your own. If you’re a vegetarian, good for you. But I assume you’re a student of evolution and humans are designed to eat some meat in their diets. And those veggies you eat have to be farmed, and animals need to be controlled by farmers or they will lose their crops. Even lettuce comes with a blood price.

And people say that gun nuts aren’t crazy, huh? /roll eyes

Actually it’s been proven that nobody needs meat to survive. Plenty of people, including me, live a perfectly fine vegan lifestyle.

Sure you CAN. But it’s far less healthy and not how the human body was designed to operate. In fact if you’ve studied any anthropology you’d also know that our cranial capacity increased and evolution sped up as meat began to make up more and more of our diets.

I also find it humorous that you truly think hunting doesn’t require any skill. Shooting in itself requires skill. The ability to study natural game habits, to place yourself in the right place at the right time, all while avoiding detection are skills. Knowing how to get in and out of the woods without getting lost is a skill. You *might* be successful just charging through the woods with a gun or bow, but it’s not all that likely.

Typically just one. So what does it matter how many are actually in the magazine?

The AR pattern rifle is often used for hunting because it is ergonomic, accurate, and available in a wide variety of calibers and configurations. It’s also easy to work on. With a normal bolt action, most modifications would go through a gunsmith. With an AR-15, parts pop in and out with tools most people have in their basement.

Also, many states DO limit magazine capacity when the rifle is used for hunting.

As much as you think it takes skill, it really doesn’t. Shooting a deer while it drinks from a lake and have no idea you’re there isn’t work.. it’s cowardly.

It takes so little skills that drunk redneck idiots like Ted Nugent can do it.

This is why it’s infuriating to talk to gun nuts.. they get so hot and heavy for a penis replacement that they love to talk about nothing but shooting up and murdering a burglar just to defend their sick gun fetish.

Shut your racist mouth, er keyboard, you hate mongering jerk.

Hey Andy, Molon Labe.

Alex Jones would be so proud of you.

There is something to be said about the sheer worship that people will throw upon the founding fathers, to the point where they make dedicated Stalinist look sane when comparing their Cults of Personality.

roger always fails, says –“I don’t understand the paranoia some people feel that they have to be armed to the teeth in order to feel “safe.”
Like our politicians,eh? We value our kids more than our politicians so we’ll ignore your stupid comments concerning guns, idiot.

They showed up in waco
didn’t work out well for those U.S. citizens

History ROCKS

thank you for your kind comment…FivebyFive.

What has been forgotten is that “Arms” meant all military weapons.
When this country was founded, it was routine to be heavily armed.
This was because, no one could count on the public sector to protect anyone.
As the Judiciary has always claimed that is not a function of government to protect the individual person.

It has always been so and still is.
That is why the 2nd Amendment exists, to allow the individual person to defend himself against all transgressions against personal sovereignty.

Under Socialism, there is no personal sovereignty, only State sovereignty.
So there is no right to defend oneself against the State, so the God given “Right” to defend oneself must be abolished.
That point is the matter under dispute.

Those who forget “History” will suffer the results of ignorance of “History” and reality.

Sure, you don’t need to. But we are designed to. In fact, human cranial capacity, tool use, and evolution were strongly accelerated when meat became a normal part of our diets.

And NEED should not dictate law in a free society. There are lots of things you don’t need. Your vegan lifestyle, for instance, is a LUXURY of modern society.

This man just ended his chance at becoming President of the United States of America.

It’s amazing to me that the politicians/pundits on the left and right coast seem to think that their positions on issues of the day are the only thing that matters. They speak so therefore it must be. This is a huge country and I don’t think most people in the “fly over” states share their “words of wisdom”. Blowhards all.

@flitzy:disqus : that’s absolutely irrelevant. The fact is that the 2nd Amendment is part of the constitution and confers certain individual right. The only way to do away with it is to amend the constitution. Anything else is an exercise in futility

@frizzymstarbaby2 maybe the reason it cannot be tyrannical is because the second amendment works.

I don’t want to live eating just vegs. Why should I care about your veg habits? Hunting is alright by me as long as it’s regulated to prevent extinction.

but unfortunately guns do and this does get muddled into the debate.

I can’t. why is he so perfect.

It’s where the whole argument began ya dope. You obviously don’t have the qualifications to be making your argument and no where did I call it a sport.

A civil war will be the result of attempted confiscation on a wide scale. Serious people know this. If we STOPPED guns sales today, we still have 300,000,000 guns in this country. AT BEST, within a couple of generations that would make the ratio about 1 gun for every 2-3 people.

Anybody interested in finding out why we are so murderous now?

LOL. That’s Awesome!

We can start to find out “why we are so murderous now” by acknowledging what the numbers tell us — that over 50% of murders are committed by a demographic group that represents less than 3% of the population. Until then, everything else is mere sophistry.

I guess that’s why we’re stockpiling nuclear weapons…when is enough …enough…

Unlike you and your comrades who jerk 0ff to their guns, I don’t live in a paranoid little world where there’s a murderer waiting outside my door to do me harm. You fear-mongers live in a mental prison of your own making. I’m very glad not to be afflicted with your sickness.

Excellent. Force a conversation on common-sense controls on gun sales. LaPierre is insane. His message is simply buy more guns so my gun buddies can continue to profit from the fear the politicians we’ve hired to spit into your face EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Probably not. The 2nd amendment is not the bastion you think it is.

If your magazine has many, your target must not be rabbits….

Confiscation for assault weapons, meaning mandatory buy backs, could happen. That is what he is referring to.

Hunting is more “humane” that the way we butcher most of our food today. I support PETA – people eating tasty animals.

I use snares for rabbit, then snap their necks, wasting a bullet on a rabbit is silly.

ever heard of a trigger? it controls the number of bullets fired. damn you all believe this automatic silliness don’t you?

Do you eat the rabbit….

So, would you say, that those who need magazines of 100 are trigger happy…..

You realize it was a document written over 200 years ago, right? You may have a right to bear arms but the government is going to have the right to tell you which arms you can have.

So you say. Facts remain.dor this comment he cost himself ANY chance of becoming President. You might not like it but more people will agree with me than yours and his politicization of the horrific deaths of these children. What you folks are doing is reprehensible!

I don’t think he meant, “to dinner.”

Lenin did not; Stalin did, after he had Lenin killed and took over. Trotsky didn’t stick around long after he saw that happen, but Stalin had the KGB track him down in Mexico and finish HIM off, too.

Actually, I use a semi-automatic .22 (just slightly smaller projectile than the .223 a centerfire AR15 fires, but a LOT less powder) to hunt rabbits all the time (well, in season, anyway… almost here, by the way). It’s more sporting than blasting them with a shotgun, and a lot easier to clean than picking out shot to keep from breaking a tooth on them. I’ve never lost an over-eager beagle to stray pellets, either.
The point is, there is nothing distinctive about “assault rifles” other than they “look like” military weapons. But the thing is, they’re NOT military weapons. The military version of the AR15 can be switched from semi-automatic to full-automatic… that’s called “select-fire” and ordinary citizens haven’t been able to buy select-fire weapons since our right to bear arms was infringed by the National Firearms Act of 1938. Maybe we should look at repealing THAT instead of the 2nd amendment.

Actually, hunting is “slaughter” – please consult a lexicon.

The point of owning an assault weapon is to keep the gov from taking whats ours. Wait isnt this what libs say we’re paranoid about? And now they’re trying to take them?

Not really. I can chose to just use one. The amount the gun is loaded with is irrelevant. And as to your comment below on being trigger happy-No, not that either. All it does is make it so that I need to manipulate my gun less. The more shells in the mag, the less I need to mess with the gun to make it fire again. With the exception being that those 100 round drums you seem so afraid of are prone to jamming and usually don’t work all that well.

And yes to your other question, I eat what I shoot.

What evidence do you have that he has murder in his heart then?

Just like the oximoron of Patriotic Politician I guess? /roll eyes

Just what the misnamed “Progressives” are stupid enough to start: a second civil war. The guys on their side will of course have “good guns”. Kiss my old you know what

“You folks”? Who is “you folks,” exactly? There was a time when it was out of the question that either a black man or a woman could be elected President That was as recent as the 1990s. So your doom is over-stated.

People under 40 are not enrolled in the same things. They have no memory of the cold war and the arms race that permeated our society as a result. And they are going to demand we at least TALK about weapons that have no business in the hands of private citizens. And they will ultimately win that argument.

The NRA has peaked, regardless of who you call “you folks.”

please. you folks is everyone politicizing the horrific death of children! that’s who “you folks” is. stop doing that because it is disgusting and reprehensible.

And you don’t realize that people DO remember. As much as you would like them to forget. A worthless entitlement generation (baby boomers) have taken more rights away from citizens than any other and only destroyed and made the country worse as a result.

guns are NOT the problem here.

sick individuals who are not disciplined by their parents are the problem. if you’re too scared to get a switch or take a belt and discipline your children then go tell someone about your child, you know, the police? why don’t we talk about that. something is wrong with you people politicizing this horrific and tragic event.

Ahh, so if we just beat children with switches more…. if only those kids knew how to bum-rush an armed adult… if only the teachers had been sent to military academies… if only we had slack-jawed George ZImmerman wanna-be’s outside the front door (leaving the back door unsupervised)…

Your response to violence against children is WHAT?!? More violence against children. You make no sense at all, and dangerously so.

Um, by your own definition, you are also “you folks” or we would not be having this conversation.

You do not even know what you are mad about. Do you intend to take switch to those awful boomers? How old are you?

My next question is, in this day and age, do men really need to hunt to get food…?

To me, killing for sport is a no no…self defense is a must…however, most mass killings are not for self defense…they are usually payback for some imagined wrong…the guns are not being used for the reasons most people say they are stockpiling them for…they are being used to kill and destroy those with whom you disagree…an easy way to have it your own way…the weak use guns to make themselves feel powerful…take away their guns and what do you have….cowards….if I don’t like this government, I will change it by force….if another Nation does not do what I say, I’ll drop a bomb on them….as long as I have the most weapons, I am boss…

His actions speak louder than words…

What are his specific actions that provide evidence that he has murder in his heart?

no. if you discontinue politicizing this horrific event and holding out people’s legitimate rights as the cause.

you are disgusting individual for politicizing this tragic event and the horrible deaths of those children.

you stepped over there corpses with your political agenda in mind and THAT is disgusting! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

Save your shame for someone who cares.

So just keep that keyboard on ice. Keep your mouth shut. I never asked for your poorly thought opinion.

Thanks for nothing, pal!

it is obvious to me that you don’t care about those children. I know that! It sickens me that you are using their deaths to further an agenda that the US citizenry does NOT agree with.

you are a disgusting repugnant human being. you are just like willard when he tried to politicize the shocking and horrible deaths of those US citizens in Benghazi. you are SICK!

Why would you not eat what you hunt?

Not at all, shooting is fun, have you never been to a range? I built my own range and have many friends over for sport shooting.

I wanna see this — we haven’t had a good civil war in about 150 years.

Go ahead, come and take them. I promise you that you’ll get the ammunition first.

It is obvious to me you are driven completely by emotion to react so weirdly to a perfect stranger in a public blog. Your answer to violence against children is more violence against children (i.e. “get a switch”) and you call ME disgusting. This is called “projection.”

And you are quite welcome!

Because you are killing for the fun of killing….errrr…called sport….

What is your prey…..?

No. You are politicizing the horrific death of children. My answer to stopping the violence is for people to take care of their children.

The dirtbag lunatic that killed these children needed more parental supervision than he received. Fact. If his mother couldn’t control him we in the U.S. have child protective services for things like that.

Stop politicizing this horrific event! You are disgusting for using the deaths of these innocent children to further your agenda!

I’m a college student, with my only income being a part time school job and the percentage of the Post 9/11 GI bill that I earned in Iraq.I
personally shoot a deer every year to help me get through the winter. I live in rural NY. I know many whose families rely on that meat. I
don’t think that anyone I know would starve to death without, but it
would certainly do more than inconvenience them.

Not to mention that I see a major disconnect in the logic that says that it is OK for somebody ELSE to do your killing for you. All that meat in the supermarket used to be alive too.

Welll, I can sympathize with you because I also went to college on the G.I. bill while working a part time job so I know what that entails…it’s not easy….I would probably starve to death if I had to kill an animal to eat…we are meat eaters, but I got precious little meat during those days….God sanctioned the killing of animals for our sustenance but I prefer someone else do it…somehow it doesn’t seem so terrible when it is on display in the market.and we can forget the horrors that go with it…but it seems different if you have to do it yourself…

Shame on you for politicizing the deaths of innocent children with your political agenda! Shame on you!

Please save your hysterical shaming for someone who cares. I certainly do not. Since you continue to perpetuate this discussion, you are also participating in “politicization,” which seems to mean, anyone who dares to speak outside the topics YOU have defined. This is called “projection” though I doubt you are even aware of it at this point.

YOU called for taking a switch to urchins who disobey you, NOT me. That is meeting violence with violence. Saying “shame” does not alter that reality.

Life does not work that way. Call “shame” all you want. You sound like a helpless child when you do.

Using the warm corpses of children to further your political agenda, that’s not right. Shame on you!

What political gain? I am not a politician. Did you make up my occupation, too? As I said, save your shame for yourself, child-beater.

That isn’t right. Shame on you.

If you are looking for gun control, might I suggest that you work on the 5 fundamentals: Stance, Site Alignment, Site Picture, Breath Control and Trigger Control.

KEEP means it’s mine and you can’t have it.
BEAR means I’ve got it right here on me.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means FU&K YOU!!!!!!

I am glad that I could help. Have a nice day.

What did you do in the service? I’m a medic myself. 1 tour in Iraq 2010.

It is bloody, and it is sad, at least to me. My college program is wildlife management, and I have a very healthy respect for wildlife. I also happen to be a falconer, and a lifelong birdwatcher. I don’t even shoot a deer for it’s antlers, I’d rather take a fat doe, However, is is, and should be legal. I posted further down on this thread in more detail, but hunting is a valuable and legitimate management practice, particularly for deer.

I can understand an aversion to killing. BUT I think it’s a mistake to try and “forget:” where meat comes from. You seem to be a person who places a great deal of value on life. That’s a good thing. So do I. But for me, I don’t want to forget. Something died for my meal. I won’t wash my hands of it and pretend that meat is just a tasty meal in styrafoam and plastic wrap.

There are some idiot hunters out there. Either from inexperience or alcohol or a poor attitude. But they are the exception to the rule. They do NOT represent the typical hunter. I think that’s my biggest quibble with your other comments here.

And to circle around to the earlier topics-the amount of rounds in my magazine has ZERO bearing on how many shots I’m going to take at something, or my marksmanship, or my intent. A single shot will usually suffice. It’s the freedom to have whatever capacity I wish that matters to me.

To add to that, I’ve seen you also make comments about “giving them a chance” or that hunting with certain weapons is “just murder”. I would rather use the best, most appropriate equipment to make my kill as cleanly and efficiently as possible. So the high end equipment that you disparage as murder ensures that my game DROPS. It doesn’t run off and get lost, or suffer. I don’t miss the kill zone due to a poorly sighted scope or an inconsistent rifle. For an example, game would be given a better chance if I didn’t scope my guns. But the scope allows a much more precise, clean shot. I’d rather have that.

I know many, many hunters that feel the same way. Don’t let the stereotype of the redneck hunter color your perceptions. I’m sure that if I implied a racial bias, you would be offended. That broad brush strokes both directions.

Save your shame for someone who cares. I suggest you take switch to yourself and stay away from kids. They do not need to be beaten by you.

Using dead children as props for your agenda is disgusting! Shame on you.

(yawn) Whatever. These were your exact words: ” if you’re too scared to get a switch or take a belt and discipline your children then go tell someone about your child, you know, the police? ”

So YOU own the shame. I never have and never will. Deal.

I don’t mind my quote. I am telling people to control their children so that events like this horrible tragedy never happen. I want to make sure we solve the problem of violence without anyone losing their rights.

YOU are using the horrific death of children to advance your political ideas. YOU ARE A DISGUSTING PERSON(!) who thinks it is okay to use the horrific death OF CHILDREN(!) as a political tool to strip people of rights.

you’re going to be first in line when people make some limp-wristed attempt at limiting free speech. something is wrong with you!

using dead children as political tool in your commentary, SHAME!

Tragic yes. Lets not react with stupidity. LEGAL GUNS are generally not the problem in most crimes. This was a case of STUPID parenting by a woman who was desparately trying to “bond” with her unreachable kid. Stupid.

You want to meet violence against children as a remedy for violence against children. Then you call shame on everyone else but yourself.

These were your exact words: ” if you’re too scared to get a switch or take a belt and discipline your children then go tell someone about your child, you know, the police? ”

Deal with your own violence problem first before coming for me.

Every reply you male is you politicizing this. Your call for beating children is really just awful.

Using the horrific deaths of children as a political ploy to strip people of rights is shameful! That isn’t right. Shame on you.

you can have te last word because I am done with your shameful subhuman antics. all you want to do is deflect the necessary criticism from yourself and what you are trying to do. it is shameful!

Shame!

Alex this year a federal judge struck down a North Carolina law which made it ILLEGAL to own a firearm in an emergency & mandated the police WILL confiscate firearms when SHTF. So this is already illegal by federal court ruling. NOTHING Cuomo proposed would protect school children, he’s just using the Massacre in Newtown as an excuse to beat up gun owners. He forgot to mention that we need to confiscate his shotgun first though. I already sent word to the NRA & Second Amendment Foundation, he just wants to have a lawsuit that’s all. ANY excuse he can find

Erik the UN would be an invading force & declared hostile. I’d give you a medal

These were your exact words: ” if you’re too scared to get a switch or take a belt and discipline your children then go tell someone about your child, you know, the police? ”

The shame is yours and you know it. Keep stalking me with your shame and I may have to end up reporting you.

You win. Shame on you!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”

— George Washington

They are the perfect predator and varmint control firearm . . . NOT weapon.

Oh my God. really will it be happened,